Comments on: Internet “child porn” censorship in Finland http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/ ...and notes Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:51:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Matti Nikin blogi — omglog http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/comment-page-1/#comment-5945 Matti Nikin blogi — omglog Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:09:09 +0000 http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/#comment-5945 [...] Lapsiporno.info-sivuston ylläpitäjänä. Sensuroitu sivusto näkyy toistaiseksi täältä myös KRPn paskaa vapaaehtoisesti syövien sensuurimielisten palveluntarjoajien [...] [...] Lapsiporno.info-sivuston ylläpitäjänä. Sensuroitu sivusto näkyy toistaiseksi täältä myös KRPn paskaa vapaaehtoisesti syövien sensuurimielisten palveluntarjoajien [...]

]]> By: Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine censored in the UK — omglog http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/comment-page-1/#comment-4914 Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine censored in the UK — omglog Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:19:13 +0000 http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/#comment-4914 [...] the excuse is “child porn”. I find it surprising that the shit eaters responsible for censoring the Internet in Finland didn’t think of this [...] [...] the excuse is “child porn”. I find it surprising that the shit eaters responsible for censoring the Internet in Finland didn’t think of this [...]

]]> By: Thomas Nybergh’s pages » Blog Archive » The Police threatens maintainers of Finnish anti-censorship mirrors http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/comment-page-1/#comment-36 Thomas Nybergh’s pages » Blog Archive » The Police threatens maintainers of Finnish anti-censorship mirrors Sat, 01 Mar 2008 21:08:26 +0000 http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/#comment-36 [...] the ongoing debate over Internet censorship in Finland. He threatened maintainers of mirrors of the wrongfully censored anti-censorship site lapsiporno.info (mirror) with possible legal actions. The [...] [...] the ongoing debate over Internet censorship in Finland. He threatened maintainers of mirrors of the wrongfully censored anti-censorship site lapsiporno.info (mirror) with possible legal actions. The [...]

]]> By: Thomas Nybergh’s pages » Blog Archive » Finnish university disables student’s anti-censorship mirror http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/comment-page-1/#comment-35 Thomas Nybergh’s pages » Blog Archive » Finnish university disables student’s anti-censorship mirror Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:47:32 +0000 http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/#comment-35 [...] of Helsinki University of Technology (HUT/TKK) was taken down due to it containing a copy of the wrongfully censored anti-censorship site lapsiporno.info (mirror). The article hints that the student’s access to [...] [...] of Helsinki University of Technology (HUT/TKK) was taken down due to it containing a copy of the wrongfully censored anti-censorship site lapsiporno.info (mirror). The article hints that the student’s access to [...]

]]> By: Thomas Nybergh’s pages » Blog Archive » Demonstration against Internet censorship http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/comment-page-1/#comment-32 Thomas Nybergh’s pages » Blog Archive » Demonstration against Internet censorship Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:06:55 +0000 http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/#comment-32 [...] previously written entries about issues related to Internet censorship in Finland in English, Finnish and [...] [...] previously written entries about issues related to Internet censorship in Finland in English, Finnish and [...]

]]> By: Thomas Nybergh’s pages » Blog Archive » Avoin lapsiporno-aiheinen kirje viestintäministeri Lindénille http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/comment-page-1/#comment-29 Thomas Nybergh’s pages » Blog Archive » Avoin lapsiporno-aiheinen kirje viestintäministeri Lindénille Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:46:57 +0000 http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/#comment-29 [...] teksti on avoin kirje viestintäministeri Lindénille, aiheena Suomen KRP:n lapsipornoestolistan huonous ja sensuuri-innon yleinen vaarallisuus. Lukijat, jotka jo tuntevat tilanteen, voivat [...] [...] teksti on avoin kirje viestintäministeri Lindénille, aiheena Suomen KRP:n lapsipornoestolistan huonous ja sensuuri-innon yleinen vaarallisuus. Lukijat, jotka jo tuntevat tilanteen, voivat [...]

]]> By: Bengt http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/comment-page-1/#comment-28 Bengt Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:37:57 +0000 http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/#comment-28 The problem is that the list have nothing to do about child pornography at all. The method used here is not new but is just as despicable today as it have been in the past. 1. Find a crime or activity that every sane individual must be opposed to (child pornography) 2. Find a perpetrator that everyone wants to ban from society (pedophiles) 3. Find a victim or value related to points 1 and 2 that everyone wants to protect at all costs (children) 4. Now you have a very strong excuse to take whatever action you want and all protests against those actions can be met with arguments that is impossible to defend against and immediatly kills the discussion. "Why do you want to see child porn", "Are you a pedophile?", "Think of the children!". Practical, isn't it... The important thing to remember is that this have nothing or very little to do with the actual crime, it is just an excuse for something else! In this case it is about control of information that is seen as "inapproriate", including but not limited to threats or critique against actions of those with political and economical power. That they wanted to add thepiratebay to the list in sweden is an example of this. This is actually a very natural development as it is now possible to communicate between ordinary citizens in a way that never have been possible before, control of this informationchannel is therefor vital in the eyes of those that have had the control of the previous informationchannel. The same thing happened on Gutenbergs time. The problem is that the list have nothing to do about child pornography at all. The method used here is not new but is just as despicable today as it have been in the past.

1. Find a crime or activity that every sane individual must be opposed to (child pornography)
2. Find a perpetrator that everyone wants to ban from society (pedophiles)
3. Find a victim or value related to points 1 and 2 that everyone wants to protect at all costs (children)
4. Now you have a very strong excuse to take whatever action you want and all protests against those actions can be met with arguments that is impossible to defend against and immediatly kills the discussion.
“Why do you want to see child porn”, “Are you a pedophile?”, “Think of the children!”.
Practical, isn’t it…

The important thing to remember is that this have nothing or very little to do with the actual crime, it is just an excuse for something else! In this case it is about control of information that is seen as “inapproriate”, including but not limited to threats or critique against actions of those with political and economical power. That they wanted to add thepiratebay to the list in sweden is an example of this.

This is actually a very natural development as it is now possible to communicate between ordinary citizens in a way that never have been possible before, control of this informationchannel is therefor vital in the eyes of those that have had the control of the previous informationchannel. The same thing happened on Gutenbergs time.

]]> By: Finn http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/comment-page-1/#comment-27 Finn Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:45:07 +0000 http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/#comment-27 I'm not totally against the idea, but it's impossible to implement the filter properly. The current implementation is damaging. Now it's very easy to generate a list of the best child porn sites in the Internet, all hand picked by the Police. It also makes pedophiles more interested in technology (how to bypass the filter with Tor etc.) and thus harder to catch. A lot more than 50 % of the sites do not contain any child porn, probably not even links to such sites. Yes, links are censored too. For some reason many gay porn sites are blacklisted, such as Google's first hits with the keyword "gay porn". There's only one person handling this blacklist and she doesn't have enough resources to manage a project of this magnitude. In short, the filter should be thought as a test that proved that censorship doesn't work. I’m not totally against the idea, but it’s impossible to implement the filter properly. The current implementation is damaging. Now it’s very easy to generate a list of the best child porn sites in the Internet, all hand picked by the Police. It also makes pedophiles more interested in technology (how to bypass the filter with Tor etc.) and thus harder to catch.

A lot more than 50 % of the sites do not contain any child porn, probably not even links to such sites. Yes, links are censored too. For some reason many gay porn sites are blacklisted, such as Google’s first hits with the keyword “gay porn”.

There’s only one person handling this blacklist and she doesn’t have enough resources to manage a project of this magnitude. In short, the filter should be thought as a test that proved that censorship doesn’t work.

]]> By: Thomas Nybergh http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/comment-page-1/#comment-26 Thomas Nybergh Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:41:50 +0000 http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/#comment-26 Anon: to read more about the current topic and the technical issues behind it, <a href="http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14991" rel="nofollow">take a look at this interview on p2pnet</a>. Anon: to read more about the current topic and the technical issues behind it, take a look at this interview on p2pnet.

]]> By: Thomas Nybergh http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/comment-page-1/#comment-25 Thomas Nybergh Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:33:56 +0000 http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/#comment-25 Anon: To sexually exploit children is a horrible thing to do, but it doesn't change the fact that Internet censorship is broken as a concept, especially when performed in a simple, inexpensive, and ridiculously ineffective and inaccurate way like crippling <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_name_system#How_DNS_works_in_theory" rel="nofollow">DNS</a>. This form of censorship creates the illusion that <a href="http://420.thrashbarg.net/susanna_huovinen_censorship_minister_of_new_china-finland.jpg" rel="nofollow">some brave decision maker</a> is saving exploited kids, while the only thing being done is utterly disgusting harvesting of low hanging "I care about the Children"-fruit. People who want to obtain child porn will definitely not be stopped by anything like this. Censorship in any form is a very dangerous thing to get into... especially if it's performed by people like the Finnish authorities who in this case operate against the law, by blocking sites that have nothing whatsoever to do with child pornography or are located inside Finland. How long will it take before other inconvenient or controversial material is deemed unsuitable for the Internet? If you at all care about stopping the people who produce child pornography, go and do something about crime organizations that perform human trafficking, by addressing the issues causing these people to have such a lot of influence. On the other hand, ignoring the few people who understand modern technology and trying to cripple the greatest communication tools ever invented by pulling out ridiculous domestic policies of the asses of clueless moralists, will do you no good in any fight against anything evil. Such behavior will only breed a culture where free speech is undesired and problem solving is done by making the symptoms invisible. Anon: To sexually exploit children is a horrible thing to do, but it doesn’t change the fact that Internet censorship is broken as a concept, especially when performed in a simple, inexpensive, and ridiculously ineffective and inaccurate way like crippling DNS. This form of censorship creates the illusion that some brave decision maker is saving exploited kids, while the only thing being done is utterly disgusting harvesting of low hanging “I care about the Children”-fruit. People who want to obtain child porn will definitely not be stopped by anything like this.

Censorship in any form is a very dangerous thing to get into… especially if it’s performed by people like the Finnish authorities who in this case operate against the law, by blocking sites that have nothing whatsoever to do with child pornography or are located inside Finland. How long will it take before other inconvenient or controversial material is deemed unsuitable for the Internet?

If you at all care about stopping the people who produce child pornography, go and do something about crime organizations that perform human trafficking, by addressing the issues causing these people to have such a lot of influence.

On the other hand, ignoring the few people who understand modern technology and trying to cripple the greatest communication tools ever invented by pulling out ridiculous domestic policies of the asses of clueless moralists, will do you no good in any fight against anything evil. Such behavior will only breed a culture where free speech is undesired and problem solving is done by making the symptoms invisible.

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