Comments on: Internet “child porn” censorship in Finland http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/ Tue, 29 Nov 2011 08:52:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: The Fascinating Story of Porn and Technology Adoption — omglog http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/comment-page-1/#comment-22734 The Fascinating Story of Porn and Technology Adoption — omglog Wed, 12 Jan 2011 03:43:52 +0000 http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/#comment-22734 [...] get at least some traffic through someone’s really fap happy search engine queries. If you mention child porn, you’ll be awarded search traffic so depraved you might feel a bit uncomfortable just [...] [...] get at least some traffic through someone’s really fap happy search engine queries. If you mention child porn, you’ll be awarded search traffic so depraved you might feel a bit uncomfortable just [...]

]]> By: Matti Nikin blogi — omglog http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/comment-page-1/#comment-5945 Matti Nikin blogi — omglog Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:09:09 +0000 http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/#comment-5945 [...] Lapsiporno.info-sivuston ylläpitäjänä. Sensuroitu sivusto näkyy toistaiseksi täältä myös KRPn paskaa vapaaehtoisesti syövien sensuurimielisten palveluntarjoajien [...] [...] Lapsiporno.info-sivuston ylläpitäjänä. Sensuroitu sivusto näkyy toistaiseksi täältä myös KRPn paskaa vapaaehtoisesti syövien sensuurimielisten palveluntarjoajien [...]

]]> By: Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine censored in the UK — omglog http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/comment-page-1/#comment-4914 Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine censored in the UK — omglog Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:19:13 +0000 http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/#comment-4914 [...] the excuse is “child porn”. I find it surprising that the shit eaters responsible for censoring the Internet in Finland didn’t think of this [...] [...] the excuse is “child porn”. I find it surprising that the shit eaters responsible for censoring the Internet in Finland didn’t think of this [...]

]]> By: Thomas Nybergh’s pages » Blog Archive » The Police threatens maintainers of Finnish anti-censorship mirrors http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/comment-page-1/#comment-36 Thomas Nybergh’s pages » Blog Archive » The Police threatens maintainers of Finnish anti-censorship mirrors Sat, 01 Mar 2008 21:08:26 +0000 http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/#comment-36 [...] the ongoing debate over Internet censorship in Finland. He threatened maintainers of mirrors of the wrongfully censored anti-censorship site lapsiporno.info (mirror) with possible legal actions. The [...] [...] the ongoing debate over Internet censorship in Finland. He threatened maintainers of mirrors of the wrongfully censored anti-censorship site lapsiporno.info (mirror) with possible legal actions. The [...]

]]> By: Thomas Nybergh’s pages » Blog Archive » Finnish university disables student’s anti-censorship mirror http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/comment-page-1/#comment-35 Thomas Nybergh’s pages » Blog Archive » Finnish university disables student’s anti-censorship mirror Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:47:32 +0000 http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/#comment-35 [...] of Helsinki University of Technology (HUT/TKK) was taken down due to it containing a copy of the wrongfully censored anti-censorship site lapsiporno.info (mirror). The article hints that the student’s access to [...] [...] of Helsinki University of Technology (HUT/TKK) was taken down due to it containing a copy of the wrongfully censored anti-censorship site lapsiporno.info (mirror). The article hints that the student’s access to [...]

]]> By: Thomas Nybergh’s pages » Blog Archive » Demonstration against Internet censorship http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/comment-page-1/#comment-32 Thomas Nybergh’s pages » Blog Archive » Demonstration against Internet censorship Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:06:55 +0000 http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/#comment-32 [...] previously written entries about issues related to Internet censorship in Finland in English, Finnish and [...] [...] previously written entries about issues related to Internet censorship in Finland in English, Finnish and [...]

]]> By: Thomas Nybergh’s pages » Blog Archive » Avoin lapsiporno-aiheinen kirje viestintäministeri Lindénille http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/comment-page-1/#comment-29 Thomas Nybergh’s pages » Blog Archive » Avoin lapsiporno-aiheinen kirje viestintäministeri Lindénille Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:46:57 +0000 http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/#comment-29 [...] teksti on avoin kirje viestintäministeri Lindénille, aiheena Suomen KRP:n lapsipornoestolistan huonous ja sensuuri-innon yleinen vaarallisuus. Lukijat, jotka jo tuntevat tilanteen, voivat [...] [...] teksti on avoin kirje viestintäministeri Lindénille, aiheena Suomen KRP:n lapsipornoestolistan huonous ja sensuuri-innon yleinen vaarallisuus. Lukijat, jotka jo tuntevat tilanteen, voivat [...]

]]> By: Bengt http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/comment-page-1/#comment-28 Bengt Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:37:57 +0000 http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/#comment-28 The problem is that the list have nothing to do about child pornography at all. The method used here is not new but is just as despicable today as it have been in the past. 1. Find a crime or activity that every sane individual must be opposed to (child pornography) 2. Find a perpetrator that everyone wants to ban from society (pedophiles) 3. Find a victim or value related to points 1 and 2 that everyone wants to protect at all costs (children) 4. Now you have a very strong excuse to take whatever action you want and all protests against those actions can be met with arguments that is impossible to defend against and immediatly kills the discussion. "Why do you want to see child porn", "Are you a pedophile?", "Think of the children!". Practical, isn't it... The important thing to remember is that this have nothing or very little to do with the actual crime, it is just an excuse for something else! In this case it is about control of information that is seen as "inapproriate", including but not limited to threats or critique against actions of those with political and economical power. That they wanted to add thepiratebay to the list in sweden is an example of this. This is actually a very natural development as it is now possible to communicate between ordinary citizens in a way that never have been possible before, control of this informationchannel is therefor vital in the eyes of those that have had the control of the previous informationchannel. The same thing happened on Gutenbergs time. The problem is that the list have nothing to do about child pornography at all. The method used here is not new but is just as despicable today as it have been in the past.

1. Find a crime or activity that every sane individual must be opposed to (child pornography)
2. Find a perpetrator that everyone wants to ban from society (pedophiles)
3. Find a victim or value related to points 1 and 2 that everyone wants to protect at all costs (children)
4. Now you have a very strong excuse to take whatever action you want and all protests against those actions can be met with arguments that is impossible to defend against and immediatly kills the discussion.
“Why do you want to see child porn”, “Are you a pedophile?”, “Think of the children!”.
Practical, isn’t it…

The important thing to remember is that this have nothing or very little to do with the actual crime, it is just an excuse for something else! In this case it is about control of information that is seen as “inapproriate”, including but not limited to threats or critique against actions of those with political and economical power. That they wanted to add thepiratebay to the list in sweden is an example of this.

This is actually a very natural development as it is now possible to communicate between ordinary citizens in a way that never have been possible before, control of this informationchannel is therefor vital in the eyes of those that have had the control of the previous informationchannel. The same thing happened on Gutenbergs time.

]]> By: Finn http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/comment-page-1/#comment-27 Finn Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:45:07 +0000 http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/#comment-27 I'm not totally against the idea, but it's impossible to implement the filter properly. The current implementation is damaging. Now it's very easy to generate a list of the best child porn sites in the Internet, all hand picked by the Police. It also makes pedophiles more interested in technology (how to bypass the filter with Tor etc.) and thus harder to catch. A lot more than 50 % of the sites do not contain any child porn, probably not even links to such sites. Yes, links are censored too. For some reason many gay porn sites are blacklisted, such as Google's first hits with the keyword "gay porn". There's only one person handling this blacklist and she doesn't have enough resources to manage a project of this magnitude. In short, the filter should be thought as a test that proved that censorship doesn't work. I’m not totally against the idea, but it’s impossible to implement the filter properly. The current implementation is damaging. Now it’s very easy to generate a list of the best child porn sites in the Internet, all hand picked by the Police. It also makes pedophiles more interested in technology (how to bypass the filter with Tor etc.) and thus harder to catch.

A lot more than 50 % of the sites do not contain any child porn, probably not even links to such sites. Yes, links are censored too. For some reason many gay porn sites are blacklisted, such as Google’s first hits with the keyword “gay porn”.

There’s only one person handling this blacklist and she doesn’t have enough resources to manage a project of this magnitude. In short, the filter should be thought as a test that proved that censorship doesn’t work.

]]> By: Thomas Nybergh http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/comment-page-1/#comment-26 Thomas Nybergh Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:41:50 +0000 http://www.nybergh.net/notes/2008/02/15/internet-child-porn-censorship-in-finland/#comment-26 Anon: to read more about the current topic and the technical issues behind it, <a href="http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14991" rel="nofollow">take a look at this interview on p2pnet</a>. Anon: to read more about the current topic and the technical issues behind it, take a look at this interview on p2pnet.

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